Mage Fire FAQ
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Is Fire good on this server?
Yes fire is still good but not the dominant raiding spec since 1.17.2 patch on Nov 8th 2024. Can read about the changes here https://forum.turtle-wow.org/viewtopic.php?p=102974#p102968 ==
The biggest change affecting Fire in 1.17.2 was ignite was changed from a 4 second window to a 6 second one, but the damage it does was split into 3 ticks instead of 2. This means it is easier to keep ignite up than before but it does less max damage. This buffed solo fire mage but significantly lowered the number of fire mages you could have in a raid before the average fire mage dps decreased from 4-5 -> 1-2.
What talents to use when leveling?
I've never leveled as fire, this is just some suggestions you can really choose whatever talents you want while leveling.
Talent Priorities:
- Improved Fireball
- Elemental precision
- Burning soul
- Arcane concentration
What talents to use when raiding?
Pepo raid
Can also opt for Hot streak, flamestrike crit, 2/2 flamethrowing up to you. I don't play fire much I dunno what's best
What talents to use leveling?
So when starting to level as fire, your first talent points should go into Improved Fireball, Ignite, and then Pyroblast.
By this point you are level 20. Your next 2 points go into Burning soul. having a 70% chance to not suffer pushback is great.
Next, you should start looking into the frost tree for Elemental Precision. Get all 3 points here.
Jump over to Arcane and grab Arcane Subtlety. Both points. And since they flipped Arcane focus and Magic Absorption you don't need to put ANY points into Arcane focus. (That will give you 3 extra points later on). Throw 3 more points into Magic Absorption. at this point you are level 30.
You can either put 5 points into Arcane Concentration or go back to the Fire tree. Personally I would put the 5 points into the Arcane Concentration and then go back to fire and finish it up.
*From here, this is how I build my fire mage as I leveled to 60.*
2 points into Incinerate.
3 Points into Master of Elements.
3 points into Fire Vulnerability.
1 point into Blast Wave.
3 points into Critical Mass.
2 points into Hot Streak.
5 points into Fire Power.
1 Point into Combustion.
By this point in time you are level 55. and have 5 points to play with however you would like.
Fire Rotation
If you have the mana (short fights):
Scorch until 5 stacks -> hot streak pyro if available -> Fireblast -> Fireball
Long fights only use fireblast to try to extend big ignites.
Scorch to extend ignite can be worth doing but depends on a lot of variables.
Solo Fire Simmed Stat Weights No Cooldowns / No Fireblast
generated with https://github.com/pepopo978/turtlewowsim Take with a grain of salt, no promises this perfectly matches turtle or there aren't bugs.
You really want 2-4% haste minimum + nampower to ensure that you can get off 2 fireballs within the 6 second ignite window when accounting for the lag that occurs on all casts.
Weights are dependent on many factors like your gear and raid composition but to give a general idea with endgame gear:
50k runs, 2 min fight, 0.07 server lag per cast control_sp = 1000 control_crit = 40 control_hit = 15 control_haste = 3
Scorch -> hot streak pyro -> fireball rotation
1 crit DPS Mean : 1259 in 53.2 casts
1 haste DPS Mean : 1258 in 53.2 casts
1 hit DPS Mean : 1257 in 53.1 casts
20sp DPS Mean : 1255 in 53.2 casts
control DPS Mean : 1240 in 53.2 casts
------ Per Spell Data ------
1 crit:
Scorch : 12.6 casts, 12905 dmg (8.6%), 1029 avg dmg, 1.53s avg, 672 dps
ignite : 6.7 casts, 45519 dmg (29.4%), 7457 avg dmg
Fireball : 31.9 casts, 84381 dmg (56.6%), 2649 avg dmg, 2.98s avg, 889 dps
Pyroblast : 2.1 casts, 8230 dmg (5.4%), 3869 avg dmg, 1.52s avg, 2529 dps
1 hit:
Scorch : 12.2 casts, 12617 dmg (8.4%), 1034 avg dmg, 1.53s avg, 676 dps
Fireball : 32.1 casts, 85380 dmg (57.4%), 2666 avg dmg, 2.98s avg, 895 dps
ignite : 6.7 casts, 44616 dmg (28.8%), 7276 avg dmg
Pyroblast : 2.1 casts, 8217 dmg (5.4%), 3892 avg dmg, 1.52s avg, 2544 dps
1 haste:
Scorch : 12.0 casts, 12278 dmg (8.2%), 1024 avg dmg, 1.51s avg, 678 dps
ignite : 6.5 casts, 44837 dmg (28.9%), 7502 avg dmg
Fireball : 32.5 casts, 85781 dmg (57.6%), 2638 avg dmg, 2.95s avg, 894 dps
Pyroblast : 2.1 casts, 8116 dmg (5.3%), 3854 avg dmg, 1.5s avg, 2552 dps
20sp:
Scorch : 12.5 casts, 12907 dmg (8.7%), 1038 avg dmg, 1.53s avg, 678 dps
Fireball : 32.0 casts, 85247 dmg (57.4%), 2670 avg dmg, 2.98s avg, 896 dps
ignite : 6.7 casts, 44411 dmg (28.7%), 7219 avg dmg
Pyroblast : 2.1 casts, 8081 dmg (5.3%), 3901 avg dmg, 1.52s avg, 2550 dps
control:
Scorch : 12.4 casts, 12705 dmg (8.6%), 1024 avg dmg, 1.53s avg, 669 dps
ignite : 6.7 casts, 43783 dmg (28.7%), 7106 avg dmg
Fireball : 32.0 casts, 84299 dmg (57.4%), 2639 avg dmg, 2.98s avg, 885 dps
Pyroblast : 2.1 casts, 7984 dmg (5.3%), 3850 avg dmg, 1.52s avg, 2516 dps
So comparing the DPS changes some rough weights:
1 crit = ~25 SP 1 haste = ~24 SP (if you are using fireblast to extend ignite a lot this drops significantly, see next section) 1 hit = ~22.5 SP
for a fresh 60 with these stats
for a fresh 60 with these stats
control_sp = 300 control_crit = 18 control_hit = 13 control_haste = 3
1 crit = ~14 SP 1 haste = ~12 SP (if you are using fireblast to extend ignite a lot this drops significantly, see next section) 1 hit = ~12 SP
Solo Fire Simmed Stat Weights with MQG + Combustion + Fireblast on cd
generated with https://github.com/pepopo978/turtlewowsim Take with a grain of salt, no promises this perfectly matches turtle or there aren't bugs.
On short fights you might have enough mana to use MQG + fireblast on cooldown which is considerably higher dps.
Weights are dependent on many factors like your gear and raid composition but to give a general idea with endgame gear:
50k runs, 2 min fight, 0.07 server lag per cast use MQG and combustion 10 sec into fight (doesn't drop scorch ignite, was too lazy to set that up) control_sp = 1000 control_crit = 40 control_hit = 15 control_haste = 3
Scorch -> hot streak pyro -> Fireblast -> fireball rotation
1 crit DPS Mean : 1410 in 65.3 casts 1 hit DPS Mean : 1409 in 65.3 casts 20sp DPS Mean : 1406 in 65.4 casts 1 haste DPS Mean : 1400 in 65.9 casts control DPS Mean : 1388 in 65.4 casts
------ Per Spell Data ------ 1 crit: Scorch : 10.8 casts, 11072 dmg (6.7%), 1031 avg dmg, 1.53s avg, 674 dps ignite : 7.9 casts, 48251 dmg (28.0%), 6587 avg dmg Fire Blast : 14.4 casts, 20418 dmg (12.2%), 1419 avg dmg, 1.07s avg, 1327 dps Fireball : 29.1 casts, 77187 dmg (45.9%), 2652 avg dmg, 2.79s avg, 951 dps Pyroblast : 3.2 casts, 12298 dmg (7.2%), 3885 avg dmg, 1.52s avg, 2547 dps 1 hit: Scorch : 10.5 casts, 10893 dmg (6.6%), 1036 avg dmg, 1.53s avg, 677 dps ignite : 7.9 casts, 47338 dmg (27.5%), 6399 avg dmg Fire Blast : 14.4 casts, 20592 dmg (12.3%), 1427 avg dmg, 1.07s avg, 1334 dps Fireball : 29.2 casts, 77974 dmg (46.5%), 2667 avg dmg, 2.79s avg, 956 dps Pyroblast : 3.1 casts, 12241 dmg (7.2%), 3913 avg dmg, 1.53s avg, 2565 dps 1 haste: Scorch : 11.3 casts, 11506 dmg (7.0%), 1026 avg dmg, 1.51s avg, 679 dps ignite : 7.9 casts, 47087 dmg (27.6%), 6380 avg dmg Fire Blast : 14.4 casts, 20359 dmg (12.2%), 1414 avg dmg, 1.07s avg, 1321 dps Fireball : 29.2 casts, 77106 dmg (46.2%), 2640 avg dmg, 2.76s avg, 956 dps Pyroblast : 3.1 casts, 11931 dmg (7.0%), 3872 avg dmg, 1.51s avg, 2565 dps 20sp: Scorch : 10.9 casts, 11244 dmg (6.8%), 1040 avg dmg, 1.53s avg, 679 dps ignite : 7.9 casts, 47075 dmg (27.4%), 6347 avg dmg Fire Blast : 14.4 casts, 20524 dmg (12.3%), 1427 avg dmg, 1.07s avg, 1334 dps Fireball : 29.1 casts, 77799 dmg (46.4%), 2672 avg dmg, 2.79s avg, 959 dps Pyroblast : 3.1 casts, 12060 dmg (7.1%), 3919 avg dmg, 1.53s avg, 2569 dps control: Scorch : 10.9 casts, 11116 dmg (6.8%), 1026 avg dmg, 1.53s avg, 671 dps ignite : 7.9 casts, 46453 dmg (27.4%), 6261 avg dmg Fire Blast : 14.4 casts, 20310 dmg (12.3%), 1412 avg dmg, 1.07s avg, 1320 dps Fireball : 29.1 casts, 76842 dmg (46.5%), 2640 avg dmg, 2.79s avg, 947 dps Pyroblast : 3.1 casts, 11886 dmg (7.0%), 3871 avg dmg, 1.53s avg, 2537 dps
So comparing the DPS changes some rough weights:
1 crit = ~24 SP 1 hit = ~23 SP 1 haste = ~13 SP
Solo Fire Trinket Comparison
generated with https://github.com/pepopo978/turtlewowsim
base_sp = 1000 base_crit = 40 base_hit = 14
20k runs 110s
Scorch -> hot streak pyro -> fireball rotation
mqg DPS Mean : 1188 in 51.2 casts tear DPS Mean : 1174 in 49.2 casts mark of champ DPS Mean : 1170 in 49.4 casts eye of dim DPS Mean : 1158 in 49.6 casts reos DPS Mean : 1158 in 49.4 casts shard of nightmare DPS Mean : 1153 in 49.3 casts gulch DPS Mean : 1134 in 49.4 casts zandalarian hero charm DPS Mean : 1130 in 49.4 casts toep DPS Mean : 1129 in 49.4 casts nothing DPS Mean : 1113 in 49.4 casts